Both situations are possible, so we cannot make a rule. If you are interested in reading more about the difference between water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, please read the following article: Is Baptism Required for Salvation. Email Facebook Twitter. If a person meets the test of Romans , then the promise of scripture is they are saved: Rom. Bible Answers Submit a Question. It should be something you decide and not something pressured on you.
There were different kinds of baptisms in Judaism. One kind of baptism was to publicly show that you had converted to Judaism. It was a fairly common occurrence, and brought joy to the community of faith. The first converts to Christianity were Jewish, and knew exactly what convert baptism was for: to show the community of faith that you have decided to follow Jesus.
That is the purpose of Christian baptism. Because this is true, it seems wise to not put it off. They considered conversion and baptism two parts of the same process: you became a believer, and you joined the community of believers.
Because people in Israel had lived as followers of God for many centuries, they all understood what baptism meant. A friend, who was a missionary in Pakistan for many years, explained it to me. In the middle east, they understand what a disciple is.
When someone decides to follow a teacher, they make a permanent, lifetime commitment to follow that teacher and obey them, no matter what. That, he explained, is how we get suicide bombers: they are told to do it by their teacher.
When someone in the western world decides to become a Christian, they usually have no idea that THAT is exactly what being a disciple of Jesus Christ means… not being a suicide bomber, but following what Jesus taught, and being obedient to Him, no matter what. Only then could they make that kind of commitment. In Pakistan, you may be killed for your faith. Do you see why I agree, and disagree? Only then can they claim to be a disciple and publicly display their faith.
Our model is clear: people need to know what Jesus taught, and then be willing to obey Him. Only then should they be baptized. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age. Christians are to baptize disciples. All believers should actually be disciples. Once they understand, they need to know that God has already commanded them to be baptized. At that point there is no reason to wait. Even though we might think different things we still all believe in God.
If you read Acts you will see that Baptism is indeed a necessity! First, we must repent of our sins Yes, Jesus paid for our sins, yet, we are still born in sin.
These were all commended for their faith. No, baptism is not required for salvation. You clearly have not studied the Scriptures on this topic. How do I know? Because I used to be on staff at a church that taught what you believe: that the initial physical evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. My wife and I took those 4 pages home and looked up every Scripture. We read them in context to make sure we understood them. His response:.
If speaking in tongues is a necessity, why would Paul explain that not all do? Do yourself a favor. Check the Scriptures, my sister. A question for you: when will God not forgive that denial? What do you think? Sometimes the language Christians use can be confusing. We know we have a relationship with God in exactly the same way we know we have a relationship with anyone!
Before you came to GodWords, you had no relationship with me. When you visited my website, you began a relationship with me… but it was pretty much one-sided: you read what I wrote. Then you asked a question and changed the nature of our relationship. I can now read what YOU write. The Bible tells us that God has been working on you for your whole life.
He causes you to be curious about Him, and to wonder about things like having a relationship with Him. At that point, your relationship with God is pretty much one-sided. When you responded by seeking more information about Him, that changed the nature of your relationship.
As you interact with God, your relationship will grow. There are plenty of people who have bad relationships with God. He makes Himself known to them and they reject Him. He offers peace and joy, and they turn their backs to Him. Everybody HAS a relationship with God, but not all relationships are good. The problem with that idea is that people think they can do whatever they want in life, and there will be no consequences.
Rejecting God means that they are on their own in this life, and that they will spend eternity separated from Him — by choice — and that will be awful. Accepting the fact that God is God and we are not, and taking advantage of His invitation to be loved and protected and nurtured and accepted and taught by Him means that we are not alone in this life, and that we will spend eternity in relationship with Him — by choice — and that will be wonderful. Are you a new creature, Jordan? Have you been born again?
If so, you are my brother. If not, I want you to be my brother… so let me know how I can help. Baptism is in Mathew many scriptures is a part of salvation book of John you must be born of the water and the spirit or you will not enter the Kingdom of heaven therefore it seems you cannot remove or lessen it those who done good to the resurrection to die like Jesus and rise a new life water is his method the simple confound us.
Thanks for writing! If we read John 3 carefully, we can see that Jesus is drawing a parallel. He said that we must be born again. This, of course, is a weird and shocking thing to say.
Nicodemus was puzzled, of course. Jesus explains, mentioning the first birth water and the second birth spirit. This is underscored by what John the Baptist said about Jesus in Mark After me comes the one more powerful than I, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Salvation is not accomplished by getting wet. Forgiveness of sins is not accomplished by getting wet, either.
The new birth is baptism with the Holy Spirit. That is what makes an old creature into a new one. The picture is of dyeing fabric. We dunk fabric in water and dye, and pull it up to see if the fabric has changed color. All believers should be baptized in front of their community of faith, but that has never, and will never, save anyone. You appear to have read what I wrote very carefully.
Yes, the Bible tells of a number of times that angels appear as human beings. I am not baptized but I am not afraid of Judgment day. Jesus saved the sinners. All religion contains both Justice and a message of piece. Every scripture, in every major religion was chosen by man. I invite your comments on my opinions no matter which side you fall on agree or disagree.
You choose your own path in life. Righteousness equals belief , then you deserve to access all of the realms and Kingdoms in the heavens with God? If you do, then you may need a saviour such as Mohamed or Jesus.
I welcome your input and I am not unable to change my convictions. I am a seeker of knowledge, nothing more! A little from here, a little from there. This is a lot more common than most people think. I lived in Southern California until I was We went to Disneyland a bunch of times. You know what was weird about Disneyland? You had to buy their tickets, at their prices, and you had to show up during the hours when they were open… or you would remain in the parking lot all by yourself.
What do I mean by that? Mormons borrow the idea of God, then use that idea to claim that God was once a man and that men can become gods. The question is not what you like or dislike, Doug. The question is whether what you believe is true. Christianity is exclusive. Jesus said that HE is the only way to the Father.
Is He right, or wrong? Why accept one thing that Jesus taught and reject another? That probably matters, if one wants to go to Heaven. Do you think He would agree with your assessment of how the universe works?
Do you think He might tell you that you have it all wrong? I have a pretty good idea of what He would say to you. He said it to me, in fact. I now understand that I can never become the man I was intended to be under my own power. I can try to be the right person, but I will fail on my own. I have peace in my heart at all times. He then comes to dwell in you and make you new.
Surrender, Doug. My grandsons were murdered 16 and 14 stabbed to death and burned this year so very hard for our family. They came from a 1 parent family They were good boys but they were hanging with the wrong crowd. I feel in my heart they are in heaven. The other night I was laying in bed and I know I saw Larry the 14 year old looking around the corner at me I miss them they were my only grandsonvi feel lost empty sad depressed but I keep going wondering why did such a terrible thing happen to these two your boys it still feels like a dream.
With respect, we should avoid using our feelings as a test for truth. Your grandsons may be in Heaven, or they may not. What we do know is that God will do what is right. I have a question for you, Debbie. Will you be going to Heaven when you die? If your grandsons are there, they will be hoping to see you.
Nobody goes to Heaven without being reconciled to God. He loves you. Do you love Him? I would caution you on this. Sometimes we see what we want to see, and our feelings will often confirm our hopes. We have no evidence that our dead loved ones appear to us at any time, let alone as butterflies or flowers or rabbits or ghosts. You may feel strong emotions when you see yellow because of your love for your sister, but that does not mean that she appears to you in butterfly form.
This kind of thinking is relatively benign, but can — and has, for many — lead to serious theological problems. Theological problems inevitably lead to relationship problems with God, which is why I feel the need to caution you.
No, Willissa…they are not. Angels and humans are simply two different kinds of beings that God has created, like cats and giraffes. Tony can you explain reconciled to God? Thanks for asking! It has to do with money, as with balancing your checkbook, or making sure you got the right change after you buy something. Paul uses this word in several places, but with relationships. We do the same today. When two people are estranged, they need to reconcile.
God did that. That gracious act is only half of the equation, though. God has done His part, and we are His ambassadors, begging people to be reconciled to Him. Most people think that being forgiven is what allows us to go to Heaven, and not being forgiven sends us to Hell. The Bible tells us that everyone has been forgiven. Read that 2 Corinthians passage and you can see it.
No… of course not. People will definitely be in Hell. The New Testament is clear that everyone will either be in Heaven or Hell. He has reconciled the world to Himself, and — in response — we need to be reconciled to Him. I hope that makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions. Have a great day! I am worried about the end of times. I want us both to go to heaven but I have never been baptized and we dont live a very Christian life.
We believe. But we dont live our life by it. Can we still find salvation in the end? Ask yourself this, if you believe in Jesus? Jesus is awesome and a forgiving heavenly father. The more we study to show ourselves approved just as the Lord ask us to, the closer walk we can have with Jesus. Everything that happens each day is because Christ already laid it out before the foundation of the world. There is no qoincidence with God.
Stay in the word ask Jesus into your heart.. God bless! Anyone can find salvation at any time before they die. The trouble is that we have no idea when that will actually happen. I will do whatever I can to help you and your husband. Hi Tony. I got baptized for a selfish reason.
I got baptized because I was scared to go to hell and thought I had to do it to be saved.. I sinned and did what I wanted after. I always cared about what others think ever since I was a small child and dealt with vanity too. How can I truly and get to know GOD genuinely without selfish motives?
How can I get to know who he truly is and fully trust him? And not a false image of GOD? Does that make sense? You can contact me directly if you want to be more personal. I will do whatever I can to help you trust God more and more. Im confused about what happens when you die. The bible speaks of being asleep unconscience not knowing of anything at all until jesus returns and calls you up.
Which says to me dont get cremated. However the bible also surports your soul going on to heaven immediately. I believe i go to heaven immediately. So which is it that happens?. And do i get cremated or is that wrong? In Matthew 25 we read that Jesus speaks of the resurrection of the dead:. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. You should take a look at that passage.
At this point in time, nobody is in Heaven or Hell. We know this because there has been no judgment! Jesus will, as we read in Matthew, judge everybody in the future. After the judgment, THEN people will receive their eternal reward.
Now, on to your question about cremation. You should not worry about how your body will be handled after you die. The reasons some people have objections about cremation? Someone who was buried years ago has decomposed, and the surrounding plants and animals and bugs used their body for nutrients.
The God who is able to create Adam from the dust is able to handle this situation, obviously. Another objection to cremation is that pagan cultures have cremated the dead for centuries, and as the argument goes we should avoid doing what the pagans do. The pagans give birth, eat breakfast, and shake hands with strangers…should we avoid doing these things? Of course not. You can relax. If we were supposed to worry about our dead bodies, we would have specific instructions in the New Testament to guide us.
Thanks for that… I have a neughbour that believes in oneness pentecostalism and he tries to make me believe him.. He says Baptism should be in jesus name and we say it should be in the father,son,holy spirit.
I am not baptized yet and im not sure by which name i have to be baptized. Oneness Pentecostals substitute their own teaching for the clear witness of Scripture.
In the same way, your neighbor is misled. He believes, as many oneness folks do, that baptism only works if you do it exactly right. I do, so I would baptize as we see in Matthew in the names of the three persons who are all one God. John All things were made by Him; By who, by the Word. Who is the Word, Jesus. Who was in the world.? Jesus was in the world. And who made the world.? God made the world; therefore this clearly states that God and Jesus are One. Who was the flesh that dwelt among us.?
The way I explained it to my son was like this: if your father came home with his paycheck and signed father on the back, would they cash it.? I said ok, what about signing son. So I said ok, just as you have your father, who is also a carpenter, and a son, three distinct things but only ONE person and his name James. As for the mention of Baptism earlier, Jesus also taught 3 criteria by which a man must be saved to enter into heaven.
But believing on Jesus is only the beginning, not the finalization. On the day of Pentecost, when Peter and the other disciples were in Jerusalem in the upper room, they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak in other tongues.
As this was happening, others heard and were marveled after Peter spoke unto them about the occurence and in Acts Now when they heard this they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethern, what shall we do.?
So we must believe upon Jesus, but then we are commanded to repent-the old man dies out, be baptized-going under the blood having our sins washed away, then filled with the Holy Ghost-ressurecting in Newness of life.. You must put line upon line, and precept upon precept.. The Bible was, is and always will be the infallible Word of God. Therefore, I encourage all to delve into it deeper and as they do to ask God to open up their understanding and to bless them with true wisdom and enlightenment to His Word.
God bless.. You make a good point, Gina. He was talking about surrendering to God and trusting Him, rather than trusting that our own efforts might save us. They cannot, of course. The trouble with your comment is that you leave out a whole bunch of other verses. There is only one God, but there are three persons who make up that one God.
You might take this part of the conversation over to another page on this site, The Doctrine of the Trinity. On the topic of baptism, you again pick and choose a few verses, but fail to include other verses that apply. The people were waiting expectantly and were all wondering in their hearts if John might possibly be the Messiah. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Luke This baptism means nothing without the other, spiritual baptism: the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Jesus provides this baptism, and it is this baptism that makes one a Christian.
This baptism needs no ritual, has no script, and cannot be done by human hands. I appreciate your post, Gina. We must use ALL of Scripture, and not only the parts we like. Gina, Thank you for that explanation. The Holy Spirit brought me to your message because I was reading this page and decided to say a prayer but was a little confused while praying because I was not sure if they are one.
I asked God to give me clarity on this matter and saw your message a few minutes later. But, I have a question: when the disciples asked Jesus if they should pray to him he replied, no you pray to the father. And if he was the father why did he have to pray so much while on earth? I even corrected my boyfriend when he said Jesus was his God. I said no God is God, Jesus is the son, our savior.
I thought that Jesus was a piece of him in human form but not him entirely. After your explanation it makes more sense. But if you could please answer that question for further clarity that would be helpful in my journey in getting closer to the lord. Also, I went to catholic schools most of my educational years and have asked this question to teachers and PHD theology professors in college and I never got a clear, concise answer that made sense to me.
You did more for me with your signing of the check analogy than they did. When in the Old Testament it says not to. I also asked my college theology professor that question and his response was that Jesus made everything clean again.
But no where does it specifically refer to Jesus doing that in reference to animals. Christians use the verse in mark I forget which chapter to defend their view. The verse says what comes out of your mouth defiles you, not what you put in. Which Jesus kept but on Saturday not Sunday. Why have Christians moved it to Sunday?
Please help! Thank you in advance and being part of my journey in getting closer to GOD. Read the Bible. Listen to the Bible. The Bible makes it clear that there is only one God. Judaism and Christianity are entirely monotheistic. That leads some to believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are exactly the same. This is certainly not true, because — as you point out — the Bible clearly shows that the Son is not the Father, and the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father. All throughout Scripture, we see that they are not the same person.
Jesus had to go away so that the Spirit could come. The Father sent the Spirit. The Father and Son are mentioned as distinct over times.
These things would not be true if the Father, Son, and Spirit were all Jesus, as Gina and others claim. Every analogy falls short. What we can say is that all three persons are one God, but they are not each other. Clearly, they are not. Baptism is not a spiritual act. Every Christian should be baptized. We should baptized by following the example set for us in Scripture. Jesus was buried in a tomb, as this was the tradition of that day.
Later, they would open the tomb and remove his bones, putting them in an ossuary bone box. The ossuary would then be placed with other ossuaries containing the bones of family members. This is silly superstition, to be sure. First, we know that the molecules in our bodies will end up somewhere else, regardless of how our corpses are handled. I see nothing in the Bible to suggest that Christians need to dispose of their bodies in any particular way.
Do you? Hey tony.. Pentecost and so am I since birth… I am 15 right now… I want to get baptized but I have no confidence … my parents keep saying my relationship with jesus has grown short , which I surely dont believe and kind of makes me tear up whenever they talk about it. I want to grow more in christ and get baptized I have accepted jesus as my personal saviour..
So that I may also be proclaimed to be in the community of the children of god. I hope I can be both helpful and encouraging. Every follower of Jesus should be baptized. However: it is wise to pay close attention to such criticisms. One sign of maturity is the ability to separate our feelings from the facts.
If they resist your desire to be baptized, you should not disobey them. If anyone is born again, I would recommend that they be baptized as a sign to their community of faith. I wonder, though: what sign would you give to your faith community by defying your parents? Be patient, little sister. You can still show your faith in ways that your parents will appreciate, and you can be baptized later. Read the New Testament.
God lives in you, Hannah! Spend time with Him. Talk with Him. Spend some time in silence each day, listening for His guidance. Keep in mind that the Holy Spirit — who is God — will never lead you to do anything that contradicts the gospel. In addition to listening to the Scriptures and to the Holy Spirit, pay close attention to those around you who are more spiritually mature.
Jesus had disciples, and He taught His disciples to make more disciples. So, in our quest to keep learning, we need to listen. Read more about this in the next item on the list: Be like the Bereans. In Acts 17 we read about the Christians in Berea.
They were commended for doing something that most people will not do today. Check it out: Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Did you catch that? Are you ready to hear something that may be difficult? Here it is: much of the time, Pentecostal churches are not very good at teaching from the Bible. I grew up in a church that was Pentecostal, and have been a leader in different churches, and have seen that those in the Pentecostal movement are sometimes more concerned with feeling spiritual and with having spiritual experiences than they are with knowing and living the gospel.
For that reason, many in Pentecostal churches remain immature , rather than growing to maturity. He had some, but He came to serve. He taught His disciples to serve, rather than be served. You and I need to look for ways to serve others, and not focus on having God serve us by making us feel good all the time. Like I said before, listen carefully… then be like a Berean. Be patient. However: one of the things that young people struggle with is patience.
Older people do too, but usually less. He has a plan for you. As you grow, He will guide you in exactly the right ways. All throughout the book of Acts we see that there is a progression of faith first then baptism Acts ; , ; ; ; , 33; ; Jesus does call us to baptism Matthew Therefore, we at Mercy Hill say that baptism is the first step of obedience. If you believe and want to respond to the truth of the gospel through a repenting of your entire sinful life and walking in obedience to Jesus as Lord, this is the reason to get baptized.
Joyfully come to make this declaration of your salvation to the church so that we can give the glory to God for what he has done in your heart. With 56 baptisms happening this past weekend to the glory of God!
First, what is baptism, and second, who is baptism for? What is Baptism? It represents someone who, through baptism, is counted by God as having died with Christ on the cross, been buried with him in the tomb Why do we say baptism is the first step of discipleship?
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